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and that is chuck hagel. and the other side of that he has also been slower to fight the good fight some would say from his base perspective of shutting down guantanamo. he has made compromises. and he has also signed some of the defense authorization and the reauthorization acts which many civil libertarians find offensive. >> one of the interesting things about brennan is his comments about political controversies that have happened while he was in office. divert pretty strongly from what has happened as policy around him. he said at the time he withdrew his name from consideration in 2009 he wanted to be known as somebody who was against the iraq war, known as somebody who was against torture, enhanced techniques, specifically against water boarding. he said recently he is against the shifting of military power to the cia, treating cia effectively as an air force. he says a lot of the drone strikes should be carried out by the military, under traditional military authority so we're not doing this exotic ex
and that is chuck hagel. and the other side of that he has also been slower to fight the good fight some would say from his base perspective of shutting down guantanamo. he has made compromises. and he has also signed some of the defense authorization and the reauthorization acts which many civil libertarians find offensive. >> one of the interesting things about brennan is his comments about political controversies that have happened while he was in office. divert pretty strongly from...
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the chuck hagel nomination is a fight that they hope they can win. winning can beget winning. they'll have a big fight over the debt ceiling and these are fights that could blow up. the president will be more combative with republicans than thethe conciliatory let's all find a solution we can agree on. >> john: so we won't be compromising on his compromised compromises. you wrote, the best way to get what he wants his staff says, is to create pressure from the outside through campaign-style events like the one he staged in during the fiscal cliff negotiations. have we ever seen a president campaign with tons of cheering middle class folks behind him in iowa, have we ever tried that to get things moved across the aisle in the second term? >> i think not the way we're going to see from president obama. george bush, again he went on his social security tour in 2005 trying to revamp social security which was blocked by in congress. we'll see more of what we saw in december. i think we're going to see more of that whether it's the debt ceiling or gun control or immigration. he feel
the chuck hagel nomination is a fight that they hope they can win. winning can beget winning. they'll have a big fight over the debt ceiling and these are fights that could blow up. the president will be more combative with republicans than thethe conciliatory let's all find a solution we can agree on. >> john: so we won't be compromising on his compromised compromises. you wrote, the best way to get what he wants his staff says, is to create pressure from the outside through...
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hagel was given options, he said, i have not even been asked to give the president options, you have to wonder what the word 0 obama is worth in the world when he says, you cross a line and the world will respond. he cannot put our country in a position where his words mean nothing. >> red line crossed? what do you do? >> apparently it has been crossed, not the first time it has happened. the british and french of all written to the united nations alleging that these chemical weapons have been used in the suburbs of aleppo and damascus against rebels. maybe we are heading to the point where the cost of doing nothing becomes greater than the cost of doing something. >> about charles argument, if you will not tolerate this -- 'other loveon charles of the week, george bush, there will be a higher standard for conclusive proof and evidence before we plunge into another war in that particular region. >> it is clear obama was to stay out of this. he has had a lot of pressure on him. all the signals are i do not want to do this. i do not blame him. it is a simple. yes, their argument for go
hagel was given options, he said, i have not even been asked to give the president options, you have to wonder what the word 0 obama is worth in the world when he says, you cross a line and the world will respond. he cannot put our country in a position where his words mean nothing. >> red line crossed? what do you do? >> apparently it has been crossed, not the first time it has happened. the british and french of all written to the united nations alleging that these chemical...
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one of them i think is senator chuck hagel. >> john mccain and chuck hagel were so close that in 2000, when john mccain realized that he was not going to get the presidential nomination, when john mccain decided he had to give up that bitterly fought nomination battle, the person his campaign put out to speak to the press the day he made his decision to withdraw was his dear friend, old chuck. >> two aides tell nbc news that the arizona senator will announce a suspension of his quest for the white house. back in arizona after his crushing defeat on super tuesday mccain called supporters to thank them. >> we're glad to be home. >> nebraska senator chuck hagel, who spoke to mccain three times yesterday, believes mccain will stay in the republican party. >> he understands the big picture here. >> as you can tell from looking at this footage, as you can tell specifically from the evolution of the eye bags and the hairdos over time, that whole thing between chuck hague sxl john mccain was a long while ago. chuck hagel as john mccain's campaign co-chair, as the top of his short list for def
one of them i think is senator chuck hagel. >> john mccain and chuck hagel were so close that in 2000, when john mccain realized that he was not going to get the presidential nomination, when john mccain decided he had to give up that bitterly fought nomination battle, the person his campaign put out to speak to the press the day he made his decision to withdraw was his dear friend, old chuck. >> two aides tell nbc news that the arizona senator will announce a suspension of his...
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[laughter] with the hearing said john brennan and chuck hagel, they stand in real contrast. whatever one thinks of the john brennan, he was in command, knowledgeable, assertive, direct, and made his own case. would that chuck hagel had the same -- >> lord high executioner. >> he wants the military -- he wants to move it to the military. >> he wants to get the cia back into the business of collecting intelligence and not paramilitary kinds of things. somebody is going to have to do that job, though. >> marco rubio, immigration, and the future of republican politics. >> are we serious about border security and employment verification? are we serious about making this the last, last time we have this conversation? or was simply playing political games with people's lives and undercutting the respect for the rule of law, which, ironically, is the very reason they seek to come to this country in the first place? >> that is a congressman from south carolina. a long time ago, ronald reagan said that hispanics were republicans who did not know it yet. if the last election is any ind
[laughter] with the hearing said john brennan and chuck hagel, they stand in real contrast. whatever one thinks of the john brennan, he was in command, knowledgeable, assertive, direct, and made his own case. would that chuck hagel had the same -- >> lord high executioner. >> he wants the military -- he wants to move it to the military. >> he wants to get the cia back into the business of collecting intelligence and not paramilitary kinds of things. somebody is going to have...
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blocking chuck hagel's nomination is that somebody who had seen chuck hagel give a speech six years ago had later written the blog post about the speech in which he did not quote chuck hagel, but he asserted that chuck hagel had said awful things in the speech. no quotations of anything chuck hagel said there are certainly no transcripts or recordings of anything he said there is no direct attribution of anything that chuck hagel said at all. but lindsey graham and kelly ayotte wrote to chuck hageling is asking him to explain whether that blogger was right. chuck hagel amazingly responded to that with words be. the nature of the demand was unusual, right? especially for two senators who like to maintain themselves as very serious people on the issue of foreign policy. well, that whole incident followed up the blowup around the friends of hamas thing. the friends of hamas thing i can do far less justice that than comedy central can. behold stephen colbert. >> according to conservative news anger gator breitbart.com, hagel may have taken money from an organization called friends of ha
blocking chuck hagel's nomination is that somebody who had seen chuck hagel give a speech six years ago had later written the blog post about the speech in which he did not quote chuck hagel, but he asserted that chuck hagel had said awful things in the speech. no quotations of anything chuck hagel said there are certainly no transcripts or recordings of anything he said there is no direct attribution of anything that chuck hagel said at all. but lindsey graham and kelly ayotte wrote to chuck...
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chuck hagel traveling in the middle east basically read the letter to reporters. he added this. >> the decision to reach this conclusion was made within the past 24 hours. >> senators john mccain and lindsey responded, senator mccain, i think it's pretty obvious a red line has been crossed. senator graham, it's a red line that has been crossed. if it's a red line that's been crossed, the next question, what the heck does that mean for u.s. involvement? joining us, from time international, bobby, can we start with this phrase, some degrees of varying confidence. having gone through iraq wmd, i think all of us are extremely attune dollars to the intelligence problems here. what should we make of the phrase, we have determined with some degree of varying confidence chemical weapons were used? >> we have to conclude we're not 100% sure. chemical weapons are not very subtle. serin in particular is not very subtle. the fact that that kind of language has been used suggests to me very small amounts were used. this is not even something as bad as the tokyo subway serin ga
chuck hagel traveling in the middle east basically read the letter to reporters. he added this. >> the decision to reach this conclusion was made within the past 24 hours. >> senators john mccain and lindsey responded, senator mccain, i think it's pretty obvious a red line has been crossed. senator graham, it's a red line that has been crossed. if it's a red line that's been crossed, the next question, what the heck does that mean for u.s. involvement? joining us, from time...
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do i care if chuck hagel is running the pentagon? as far as i can tell, no one has done much in congress to sort of sort that out. >> and the one thing that job, is a policymaker. that is not the person who decides whether we go to war but takes the orders from the white house about how to implement it. that is not the person who decides what our relationship is with any other foreign country. those issues belong in other jobs. that's what they made the whole hearing about. >> no, absolutely. and even their fixation on benghazi is located in state. they went after hillary clinton -- >> 100%. >> that has nothing to do with this job either. at the end of the day i started out says, confirm chuck hagel. he was an enlisted man, fought in vietnam. i'm saying, i don't know why i support him because it hasn't been about him at all. >> joy reed and chris hayes. thank you for joining me tonight. >>> coming up, wane lapierre, i'll be joined in rebuttal, by someone who is on the nra's enemy list. >>> and in the "rewrite tonight" if there was no
do i care if chuck hagel is running the pentagon? as far as i can tell, no one has done much in congress to sort of sort that out. >> and the one thing that job, is a policymaker. that is not the person who decides whether we go to war but takes the orders from the white house about how to implement it. that is not the person who decides what our relationship is with any other foreign country. those issues belong in other jobs. that's what they made the whole hearing about. >> no,...
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defense secretary chuck hagel said the u.s. has evidence. >> the u.s. intelligence community assesses varying confidence that the syrian regime used chemical weapons in syrialy chemical agent saron. >> lawmakers who are pushing president obama to be more active in the syrian war said we should take steps. >> provide a safe area for the opposition to operate and establish a no fly zone and provide weapons to the people in the resistance that we trust. >> obama fortunatelies say syrian air defense would make a difficult no fly zone and concerned that the u.s. weapons would find in the hands of the extremist. >> a red line for us is we start seeing a whole bunch of chemical weapons moving around and utilized. i have made clear that use of chemical weapons is a game changer. >> given the experience in iraq, it is essential we establish that bashar assad used them. senator mccain is suspicious. i wor that the president is using it as an expense. >> and assad refuse tod allow access to experts. lawmakers suggest that syria used chemical weapons in two locatio
defense secretary chuck hagel said the u.s. has evidence. >> the u.s. intelligence community assesses varying confidence that the syrian regime used chemical weapons in syrialy chemical agent saron. >> lawmakers who are pushing president obama to be more active in the syrian war said we should take steps. >> provide a safe area for the opposition to operate and establish a no fly zone and provide weapons to the people in the resistance that we trust. >> obama...
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[laughter] on the subject of the hearings, john brennan and chuck hagel, they stand in stark contrast. whatever one thinks about john brennan, and the disagreements are real, he was in command, knowledgeable, assertive, direct, and he made his own case. would that chuck hagel had the same level -- >> talk about our jobs, he has been lord high executioner -- >> and he wants to move it to the military. >> brennan does want to get the cia back into the business of collecting intelligence and of the paramilitary kinds of things -- not paramilitary kinds of things. somebody still has to do that job, though. >> marco rubio, emigration, and the future of republican politics. >> are we serious about border security and employment verification? are we serious about making this the last last time we have this conversation? or are we simply playing political games with people's lives and undercutting respect for the rule of law, the very reason they seaek to come to ths country in the first place? >> that is a congressman from south carolina on the house border security subcommittee. a long time
[laughter] on the subject of the hearings, john brennan and chuck hagel, they stand in stark contrast. whatever one thinks about john brennan, and the disagreements are real, he was in command, knowledgeable, assertive, direct, and he made his own case. would that chuck hagel had the same level -- >> talk about our jobs, he has been lord high executioner -- >> and he wants to move it to the military. >> brennan does want to get the cia back into the business of collecting...
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i like chuck hagel. if he gets it, i'm fine with it. >> suppose your guy won the race the guy you thought would win. and he put boldin in, the strange mustache guy. would they have put him in there? >> i don't think romney would have put bolton in. >> let's talk about the fiscal cliff. that's behind us. that turkey's behind us. >> we got others. >> we have lived through bill clinton. whatever you say about bill clinton, he knew how to deal with these people saying shut down the government. go ahead. i'll have my pizza. you go ahead. >> he'll have other things. >> whatever else you say. what happened? newt looked like a fool. he looked like a fool. so can this president show that kind of guts? first you because you're for him. >> well, i think we're going to see the debt ceiling fight first. >> that's what i mean. >> he feels so passionately -- >> will he tell them to go guest lost? >> in the book i had out last year -- >> what's the name of the book? >> "showdown." the first time he got in his aides said
i like chuck hagel. if he gets it, i'm fine with it. >> suppose your guy won the race the guy you thought would win. and he put boldin in, the strange mustache guy. would they have put him in there? >> i don't think romney would have put bolton in. >> let's talk about the fiscal cliff. that's behind us. that turkey's behind us. >> we got others. >> we have lived through bill clinton. whatever you say about bill clinton, he knew how to deal with these people saying...
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it is chuck hagel. meantime senators dick durbin says hagel would be a fine candidate for that job. >> hagel was a republican senator from nebraska a decorated veteran of the vietnam war, a person who has a resume that includes service on the foreign relations committee as well as the intelligence committee. yes, he's a serious candidate if the president chooses to name him. >>> james rosen has details. what has senator hagel said about israel that has so many people upset. when you pay to interview david miller who became an author and commentary, tabling el, they intimidate a lot of people. i favored direct talks with iran in an effort to get the european union. >> he is consistently advocated weakness with respect to our enemies with respect to the nation of iran he has opposed sanctions over and over again and the job of the secretary of defense is to be a deterrent. i think weakness in the secretary of defense invites conflict because bullies don't respect weakness. >>> a number of gop foreign poli
it is chuck hagel. meantime senators dick durbin says hagel would be a fine candidate for that job. >> hagel was a republican senator from nebraska a decorated veteran of the vietnam war, a person who has a resume that includes service on the foreign relations committee as well as the intelligence committee. yes, he's a serious candidate if the president chooses to name him. >>> james rosen has details. what has senator hagel said about israel that has so many people upset. when...
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well, that proposition can be tested by the history of chuck hagel. what was the most important decisions he had to make as a senator? on the iraq war. he reported to have been opponent of the war. after the war went bad and public opinion had turned against it. on the crucial decision of launching the war at a time when the future is indeterminant and time information is necessarily incomplete, he voted to go to war. then when he had the second most important decision on the surge which saved the war and created the conditions where iraq, where we could leave iraq with a democratically elected politically neutral state, he has showed was against it. he led the fight against it. he said that it was morally, strategically wrong. so big decisions he had to exercise as senator, he had it wrong by his own rights on every single count. >> bret: as we have done here. we have taken a lot of time on the hagel nomination. brennan nomination is up, too. steve, perhaps the hagel nomination overtakes that and brennan doesn't face as much scrutiny if it was solo,
well, that proposition can be tested by the history of chuck hagel. what was the most important decisions he had to make as a senator? on the iraq war. he reported to have been opponent of the war. after the war went bad and public opinion had turned against it. on the crucial decision of launching the war at a time when the future is indeterminant and time information is necessarily incomplete, he voted to go to war. then when he had the second most important decision on the surge which saved...
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them have their war in iran and that is their problem with chuck hagel. >> i think our brains are connected, i say that again joy, you're so smart. because i agree with your words as you speak them, they're brilliant. i'm serious. i'm patronizing, i think you're unbelievable. i keep hearing my brain talk. thank you, joy reed. thank you david cornyn. >>> coming up, it's hoil's last d hillary clinton's last day in the state department. the first day of the rest of her life, it may well include a run for president in 2016. there are plenty of democrats waiting for her to say i do. >>> also, men behaving badly. we showed you john mccain and lindsay graham's rude behavior. and they're hardly alone. the lesson that many of the gop seem to have learned from 2012 is, if you want to stop losing elections, just keep doing exactly what you've been doing. >>> the documentary "the gatekeepers" a fascinating look at the members of israel's security agency. the interesting job of dealing with palestinians in the occupied territories. they're a lot more like barack obama than like benjamin netanyahu. >>> l
them have their war in iran and that is their problem with chuck hagel. >> i think our brains are connected, i say that again joy, you're so smart. because i agree with your words as you speak them, they're brilliant. i'm serious. i'm patronizing, i think you're unbelievable. i keep hearing my brain talk. thank you, joy reed. thank you david cornyn. >>> coming up, it's hoil's last d hillary clinton's last day in the state department. the first day of the rest of her life, it may...
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the have it tree troll against chuck hagel. is it about lyndon johnson's inability to win that war or end it? what is it that burns so deeply in john mccain today? for some reason he wants to play it again and again in iraq and afterno afghanistan and again in iran. we look at the resentment burning in john mccain's heart. it's not against george w. bush and his political henchmen who tried to stay mccain's reputation in 2000 but a guy who fear and rallied against wounds just like he did. chuck hagel, a nightmare, by the way, whose flashbacks must haunt still the heart still of john sydney mccain. both are msnbc analysts. both of you, sir, and lady, are younger than me, but i must tell you i'm absolutely convinced we're watching a flashback. watch this. he did a long angry windup before he launched into his first so-called question which was really an indictment. it included putdowns as well as references to vietnam. let's listen. >> in january of 2007 in a rather bizarre exchange with secretary rice in the foreign relations co
the have it tree troll against chuck hagel. is it about lyndon johnson's inability to win that war or end it? what is it that burns so deeply in john mccain today? for some reason he wants to play it again and again in iraq and afterno afghanistan and again in iran. we look at the resentment burning in john mccain's heart. it's not against george w. bush and his political henchmen who tried to stay mccain's reputation in 2000 but a guy who fear and rallied against wounds just like he did. chuck...
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john mccain and others praise senator chuck hagel years ago. we'll take a look at the republican problem there. democratic senator will join us to talk live about the latest on hagel and brennan. >>> protests outside the white house, over john brennan's nomination as cia director. why aren't people talking about the controversy surrounding him more? >> for the american people. >> thank you, america. >> helping people recover and rebuild, this's what we do. >> now, let's bring on tomorrow. >> the ad campaign is called thank you america. that's what aig is saying publicly after being rescued by the bailout. so why is the insurer now considering suing the u.s. government? you can join our conversation on twitter. what can we do with a brand new year, and a room that needs refreshing? we can work with a new collection of carpet that proves durable can be softer than ever. we can get for less and spread that softness even further. turns out, we can do even more than we thought we could. because this is the year of doing. more saving. more doing. tha
john mccain and others praise senator chuck hagel years ago. we'll take a look at the republican problem there. democratic senator will join us to talk live about the latest on hagel and brennan. >>> protests outside the white house, over john brennan's nomination as cia director. why aren't people talking about the controversy surrounding him more? >> for the american people. >> thank you, america. >> helping people recover and rebuild, this's what we do. >>...
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. >>> chuck hagel says that syria has used chemical weapons. will that force the president to take action? senate foreign relations bob corker joins us next. [ male announcer ] this is betsy. her long day of pick ups and drop offs begins with arthritis pain... and a choice. take up to 6 tylenol in a day or just 2 aleve for all day relief. all aboard. ♪ arrival. with hertz gold plus rewards, you skip the counters, the lines, and the paperwork. zap. it's our fastest and easiest way to get you into your car. it's just another way you'll be traveling at the speed of hertz. >>> major news today on the subject of chemical weapons used in syria. responding to letter today, from a bipartisan group of senators requesting answers on this murky question of whether the assad regime has used chemicals, according to the new assessment by the white house, on two incidents they did or someone did. there is a concern about the chain of custody of these weapons, but principally, it was sarin gas, according to the defense secretary, chuck hagel. has the syrian
. >>> chuck hagel says that syria has used chemical weapons. will that force the president to take action? senate foreign relations bob corker joins us next. [ male announcer ] this is betsy. her long day of pick ups and drop offs begins with arthritis pain... and a choice. take up to 6 tylenol in a day or just 2 aleve for all day relief. all aboard. ♪ arrival. with hertz gold plus rewards, you skip the counters, the lines, and the paperwork. zap. it's our fastest and easiest way to...
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here is chuck hagel in vietnam back in '68 when he went in. he was an enlisted soldier and rose to sergeant. a noncommissioned officer with the infantry, a grunt as they used to say in vietnam. this is navy pilot john mccain with his squadron in 1965 before he was captured. hagel made reference to the vantage point an enlisted man has in war. >> i saw it from the bottom. i saw what happens. i saw the consequences and the suffering and the horror of war. so i did question a surge. i always ask the question, is this going to be worth the sacrifice, because there will be sacrifice. in the surge case in iraq, we lost almost 1,200 dead americans during that surge and thousands of wounded. now, was it required? was it necessary? senator mccain has his own opinion on that shared by others. i'm not sure. i'm not that certain that it was required. >> you know, the horror of vietnam, where i wasn't -- i always point that out -- the guys who were, into the jungle, fighting an enemy you couldn't see. there were no p.o.w.s in the jungle wars. they didn't t
here is chuck hagel in vietnam back in '68 when he went in. he was an enlisted soldier and rose to sergeant. a noncommissioned officer with the infantry, a grunt as they used to say in vietnam. this is navy pilot john mccain with his squadron in 1965 before he was captured. hagel made reference to the vantage point an enlisted man has in war. >> i saw it from the bottom. i saw what happens. i saw the consequences and the suffering and the horror of war. so i did question a surge. i always...
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hagel the secretary of defense i can't remember when that last was the case where so many prominent politicians were actually running us foreign policy but that means of our all is that they are extremely attuned to the attitudes the opinions and the politics in america and unfortunately for those of us in the foreign policy business who believe i'm america's role needs to be as strong as possible and we need to restore our standing as the indispensable nation they have seems that the american people would prefer to see us pay taking care of our own problems and not worrying so much about what goes on around the world but since there is no alternative to american leadership. and we don't lead basically nothing happens and that's why we've had so much trouble and in syria and libya and egypt and all of these countries that are going through these changes and and so much of the rest of the world it's only american leadership that can still bring the world together not for us to act alone own but to spark the kind of cooperation and partnership that will lead world if there is be acted
hagel the secretary of defense i can't remember when that last was the case where so many prominent politicians were actually running us foreign policy but that means of our all is that they are extremely attuned to the attitudes the opinions and the politics in america and unfortunately for those of us in the foreign policy business who believe i'm america's role needs to be as strong as possible and we need to restore our standing as the indispensable nation they have seems that the american...
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chuck hagel. he is a patriot. he is someone who has done extraordinary work in the united states senate. he served this country with valor in vietnam. he is someone who is currently serving on my intelligence advisory board and doing an outstanding job. >> to talk more about the nomination of chuck hagel as secretary of defense, we are joined now by ali gharib writes a middle east blog on the daily beast website. welcome to "democracy now!" talk about the controversy around hagel's in in today by president obama or nominated. >> they floated -- the administration floated his name last month and there's been a firestorm of criticism since then that is come mostly from right-wing republicans, but also a little from pro-israel democratics that is based around his views on israel, iran, some comments he made about a decade ago about a gay nominee to the ambassador the last to be ambassador, and just general right wing republican conservative voting record in his two terms in the senate. all of these a
chuck hagel. he is a patriot. he is someone who has done extraordinary work in the united states senate. he served this country with valor in vietnam. he is someone who is currently serving on my intelligence advisory board and doing an outstanding job. >> to talk more about the nomination of chuck hagel as secretary of defense, we are joined now by ali gharib writes a middle east blog on the daily beast website. welcome to "democracy now!" talk about the controversy around...
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the neoconservative industrial complex put all its weight behind defeating chuck hagel. it looks like they're going to lose. could it be the neocons are a spent force? could we be that lucky? >>> and back in the ussr. yet another republican cites the soviet threat. they're still fighting the cold war. they want the cold war i guess. that's in the "sideshow" where i hope it stays. >>> let me finish with my own thoughts about alcoholism and addiction and how it tragically struck down one of the most prominent political families in our nation's history. and this is "hardball," the place for politics. ve decided as i begin, i thank president clinton for his service to our nation. [ applause ] and i thank vice president gore for a contest conducted with spirit and ended with grace. [ applause ] >> you know, he seemed to be speaking english as a second language there, didn't he? not everyone was as graceful as gore, and thousands of protesters demonstrated against the new president. some egging his limousine during the inaugural parade. we'll be right back. wait...you try pept
the neoconservative industrial complex put all its weight behind defeating chuck hagel. it looks like they're going to lose. could it be the neocons are a spent force? could we be that lucky? >>> and back in the ussr. yet another republican cites the soviet threat. they're still fighting the cold war. they want the cold war i guess. that's in the "sideshow" where i hope it stays. >>> let me finish with my own thoughts about alcoholism and addiction and how it...